unrecognized VAT number (as per VIES) Thread poster: stephenkells
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Hello all,
I have been asked for a quote from a new contact, an 'association' based in France. They have given me a VAT number which is being flagged up as 'invalid for cross-border transactions within the EU'. Has anyone any idea of what this might imply? I asked them for their VAT number and have also checked on societe.com. The two numbers are identical.
Thanks,
Stephen.
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Information take from VIES
"The system indicates that a number is invalid. What action should I take?
If a VAT number is shown as invalid, in the first instance check with your customer that the number quoted is correct (correct number of characters, correct length and country prefix). If the number quoted by your customer, even after checking, continues to be ‘invalid’, you should ask that business to contact his/her tax administration to request that the data in t... See more Information take from VIES
"The system indicates that a number is invalid. What action should I take?
If a VAT number is shown as invalid, in the first instance check with your customer that the number quoted is correct (correct number of characters, correct length and country prefix). If the number quoted by your customer, even after checking, continues to be ‘invalid’, you should ask that business to contact his/her tax administration to request that the data in the national VAT Information Exchange System (VIES) be updated (only national tax administrations can update VIES data).
Should you find out that your business’ data are incorrect or not up to date, you should contact your own tax administration and ask for it to be corrected. Please note that some EU tax administrations will require you to submit such requests in writing or by completing a form.
Some Member States / Northern Ireland require an additional registration for intra-EU transactions and record in their national VIES databases only such VAT numbers; therefore, it is possible that a VAT number, even if correct, will not be validated through VIES, because the owner of that VAT number is not involved in intra-EU transactions or did not register for that purposes with his/her tax administration.
The tax administration that has to be contacted is always the administration that has allocated the VAT identification number for which mistakes or incorrect data are encountered. This tax administration can be identified by the country prefix that precedes the VAT identification number. The adjustments are done in conformity with the domestic procedures of the Member State / Northern Ireland concerned.
Attached you can find a list containing the web-links to the homepages of the national tax administrations that you can contact for correction
AT: https://service.bmf.gv.at/service/anwend/behoerden
BE: [email protected] phone (+32) 2 5774030 http://finances.belgium.be/fr/entreprises/tva/intracommunautaire/numeros_de_tva_intracommunautaires/
BG: [email protected], National Revenue Agency's call center: + 359 2 9859 6801
CY: http://www.mof.gov.cy/mof/tax/taxdep.nsf/page86_gr/page86_gr?opendocument
CZ: http://www.financnisprava.cz/cs/mezinarodni-spoluprace/mezinarodni-spoluprace-a-dph/dph-v-eu/overovani-dic-vat-id
DE: https://evatr.bff-online.de/eVatR
DK: https://indberet.virk.dk/myndigheder/stat/ERST/Webreg_aendre_virksomhed__lukke_virksomhed
EE: [email protected]
EL: http://www.aade.gr/epicheireseis/phorologikes-yperesies/egkyroteta/egkyroteta-arithmoy-phpa-vies
ES: https://www.agenciatributaria.gob.es/AEAT.sede/tramitacion/ZZ09.shtml
FI: http://www.vero.fi/fi-FI
FR: http://vosdroits.service-public.fr/professionnels-entreprises/F23570.xhtml
HR: In case there is a change with any of the registration data of the taxpayer, the local tax office has to be contacted.
HU: http://www.nav.gov.hu/nav/eu_adoszam
IE: http://www.revenue.ie/en/contact/index.html
IT: http://www.agenziaentrate.gov.it/wps/content/nsilib/nsi/contatta
LT: VIES help desk - [email protected] and for all kind of information or enquiries at the Lithuanian State Tax Inspectorate: http://www.vmi.lt/cms/en/mokesciu-informacijos-centro-kontaktai
LU: http://www.aed.public.lu/tva/immatriculation/modifications.html
LV: https://www.vid.gov.lv/en/contact-us
MT: [email protected] and [email protected] Contact point for correction of erroneous company information: [email protected]
NL: In case there is a change in address taxpayers should inform the Chamber of Commerce. In case of any other change they should contact the (local) Tax Office.
PL: http://www.mf.gov.pl/krajowa-administracja-skarbowa/jednostki-podlegle/znajdz-jednostke
PT: [email protected]
RO: http://www.anaf.ro/anaf/internet/ANAF/asistenta_contribuabili/persoane_juridice/asistenta_prin_email/
SE: https://www.skatteverket.se/omskatteverket/kontaktaoss/eposta/stallenfraga.4.71004e4c133e23bf6db8000110925.html
SI: http://www.fu.gov.si/kontakti/#c6688/
SK: https://www.financnasprava.sk/sk/elektronicke-sluzby/verejne-sluzby/zoznamy https://www.financnasprava.sk/en/contact/financial-directorate-contact
XI: https://www.gov.uk/vat-registration/changes-to-your-details" ▲ Collapse
| | | | | thanks Teresa | Apr 25, 2022 |
Thanks Teresa,
I asked the client for their VAT number independently, after having checked the VAT number featured on Societe.com, the two were identical. I think I can be fairly sure that if I ask them to contact the relevant tax authorities in France they'll simply ignore me and go somewhere else. I was mostly wondering if anyone else has had any instances where there has been a relevant, justifiable reason for this error appearing, e.g. the VAT number is automatically generated/... See more Thanks Teresa,
I asked the client for their VAT number independently, after having checked the VAT number featured on Societe.com, the two were identical. I think I can be fairly sure that if I ask them to contact the relevant tax authorities in France they'll simply ignore me and go somewhere else. I was mostly wondering if anyone else has had any instances where there has been a relevant, justifiable reason for this error appearing, e.g. the VAT number is automatically generated/assigned by societe.com and then appears in VIES even if the entity is 'non-assujetti' to VAT, perhaps due to its status as an 'association', for example.
Thanks,
Stephen. ▲ Collapse
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I don’t know how things are regarding VAT in France, but in Belgium and in Portugal you need to obtain an intra-community VAT number when you are engaged in cross-border transactions within the EU. Do you speak French? In case you do, please read this: https://entreprendre.service-public.fr/vosdroits/F23570
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stephenkells wrote:
Thanks Teresa,
I asked the client for their VAT number independently, after having checked the VAT number featured on Societe.com, the two were identical. I think I can be fairly sure that if I ask them to contact the relevant tax authorities in France they'll simply ignore me and go somewhere else. I was mostly wondering if anyone else has had any instances where there has been a relevant, justifiable reason for this error appearing, e.g. the VAT number is automatically generated/assigned by societe.com and then appears in VIES even if the entity is 'non-assujetti' to VAT, perhaps due to its status as an 'association', for example.
Thanks,
Stephen.
Well, you should highlight to the client that as long as their VIES is invalid, you, and all other supliers in the EU outside France, will have the obligation to charge your local VAT, and that they would not be able to deduct this in France.
It in their own interest to sort this one out.
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Hi Enrique,
I'm under the threshold for VAT in the UK so don't charge it. I therefore can't charge them VAT either. I have actually phoned up the French tax authorities and had confirmation from them that I do not need to register with them for VAT purposes as I am not registered for VAT in the UK. Post-Brexit, this is probably even more so the case.
Thanks for all your input, hoping the client will actually investigate this.
Stephen.
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