Using or abusing Kudoz? Thread poster: ahartje
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ahartje
Portugal
Local time: 18:48
Member (2006)
German to Portuguese
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Dear colleagues,
I was looking for any limits of Kudoz questions closed by: "answer found elsewhere".
The case: almost on a daily basis, another translator is asking questions in one of my language pair. First these questions were marked as "no points are given". So far, so good. I tried to help anyway, but all questions were closed by "answer found elsewhere".
Meanwhile the "no points"-note is gone (maybe because the colleages were reluctant to answer/help?), but this translat... See more Dear colleagues,
I was looking for any limits of Kudoz questions closed by: "answer found elsewhere".
The case: almost on a daily basis, another translator is asking questions in one of my language pair. First these questions were marked as "no points are given". So far, so good. I tried to help anyway, but all questions were closed by "answer found elsewhere".
Meanwhile the "no points"-note is gone (maybe because the colleages were reluctant to answer/help?), but this translator found another way to avoid attributing the effort of her colleagues: "answer found elsewhere"!
Out of 12 questions (1 still open, 1 without valid answer) for 9 the answer was found elsewhere.
I looked up the Kudoz rules, but did not find any limitation (percentage) for questions closed by "answer found elsewhere".
I am not looking for points or worried about my ranking, but why is somebody asking colleagues, again and again, when obviously no colleague is good enough to help? Or is it a type of masked abuse? If so, is there anything within Kudoz´ rules about how many questions are allowed to be closed by this option?
Thank you for enlightening me. ▲ Collapse
| | | | William Yang
China
Local time: 01:48
Member (2021)
English to Chinese
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| Good or bad, will people who assign jobs consider Kudoz? | Jan 13, 2023 |
I work in the language pair of English-Chinese and I seldom take part in the activity. Today I happened to visit the part and did some exercises. I don't know when to return and contribute again but to help is a good thing. If I findd the situation as you noted, I will not provide an answer to the asker. in the future.
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I have very occasionally closed a question saying “answer found elsewhere” but when I do, as a courtesy to those who participated and attempted to help, I’ll post a comment with the answer I’ve found, just in case someone needs it later on. I can’t understand why someone will deliberately avoid giving points to colleagues who are willing to help. As we all know, “karma is a bitch” or as we say in Portuguese “aqui se fazem, aqui se pagam”…
| | | | | I'm not aware that there is such a rule | Jan 13, 2023 |
But in my opinion it should be made compulsory that "the answer found elsewhere" be indicated, regardless of the number of times this "solution" is used. Let alone that askers should do so anyway out of sheer politeness. I don't understand how people can be so rude and impolite.
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expressisverbis
Portugal
Local time: 18:48
Member (2015)
English to Portuguese
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My behaviour is the same one as Teresa describes.
If I find an answer elsewhere I post it on the discussion board for helping others with the same question in the future, and as a courtesy to others who tried to help me.
Kudoz is full of impolite members. The good thing is that we can still find good colleagues, personally and professionally. And this is the big difference between those members who "use/abuse" and the professional translators.
This is what I call "ter falta de ... See more My behaviour is the same one as Teresa describes.
If I find an answer elsewhere I post it on the discussion board for helping others with the same question in the future, and as a courtesy to others who tried to help me.
Kudoz is full of impolite members. The good thing is that we can still find good colleagues, personally and professionally. And this is the big difference between those members who "use/abuse" and the professional translators.
This is what I call "ter falta de chá" (to be rude) and my advice is: do not answer or try to help, just ignore it.
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| | | | ahartje
Portugal
Local time: 18:48
Member (2006)
German to Portuguese
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TOPIC STARTER | Kudoz should have a learning effect | Jan 13, 2023 |
I believe Kudoz should be faced as learning/teaching tool, therefore I am always interested in the chosen answer. By selecting the option "answer found elsewhere" I feel somehow insatisfied, partly because I´d like to know, which term has been elected (and why). Just to learn, open my mind and reflect for myself.
So, here is my proposal for ProZ: please link the option "answer found elsewhere" to an additional mandatory part, where the asker has to mention the chosen term and also,... See more I believe Kudoz should be faced as learning/teaching tool, therefore I am always interested in the chosen answer. By selecting the option "answer found elsewhere" I feel somehow insatisfied, partly because I´d like to know, which term has been elected (and why). Just to learn, open my mind and reflect for myself.
So, here is my proposal for ProZ: please link the option "answer found elsewhere" to an additional mandatory part, where the asker has to mention the chosen term and also, where s/he found it. Feasible? ▲ Collapse
| | | | expressisverbis
Portugal
Local time: 18:48
Member (2015)
English to Portuguese
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| Common sense and cordiality | Jan 13, 2023 |
ahartje wrote:
So, here is my proposal for ProZ: please link the option "answer found elsewhere" to an additional mandatory part, where the asker has to mention the chosen term and also, where s/he found it. Feasible?
I agree with you, but that should be part of everyone's common sense and cordiality.
Proz.com is a site for and by professionals, so these values should be implicit in the person and the professional.
Asking for this is almost asking to teach children how to behave... in my humble opinion.
| | | | Yaotl Altan 
Mexico
Local time: 11:48
Member (2006)
English to Spanish
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ahartje wrote:
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I am not looking for points or worried about my ranking, but why is somebody asking colleagues, again and again, when obviously no colleague is good enough to help? Or is it a type of masked abuse? If so, is there anything within Kudoz´ rules about how many questions are allowed to be closed by this option?
Thank you for enlightening me.
At least, they should share with us the alleged term they "found elsewhere".
[Edited at 2023-01-15 03:08 GMT]
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| Maybe relevant, maybe not... | Jan 15, 2023 |
Yes, askers can get on our tits when they don’t seem to appreciate our efforts (to help THEM!) and close questions w/o comment. Some of us subsequently add such askers to our “filtered” list. But Asker is not informed.
Maybe it’d be a good idea to inform such askers that they’ve been filtered by (anonymous) users, just so they can at least consider changing their ways?
| | | | | Did you answer all the questions asked by this particular asker? | Jan 15, 2023 |
ahartje wrote:
Dear colleagues,
I was looking for any limits of Kudoz questions closed by: "answer found elsewhere".
The case: almost on a daily basis, another translator is asking questions in one of my language pair. First these questions were marked as "no points are given". So far, so good. I tried to help anyway, but all questions were closed by "answer found elsewhere".
Meanwhile the "no points"-note is gone (maybe because the colleages were reluctant to answer/help?), but this translator found another way to avoid attributing the effort of her colleagues: "answer found elsewhere"!
Out of 12 questions (1 still open, 1 without valid answer) for 9 the answer was found elsewhere.
I looked up the Kudoz rules, but did not find any limitation (percentage) for questions closed by "answer found elsewhere".
I am not looking for points or worried about my ranking, but why is somebody asking colleagues, again and again, when obviously no colleague is good enough to help? Or is it a type of masked abuse? If so, is there anything within Kudoz´ rules about how many questions are allowed to be closed by this option?
Thank you for enlightening me.
I was just wondering whether you submitted all the answers for this particular asker and you were the only one who suggested an answer, since some of the askers seem to hesitate (just my guess) to award points to the same contributor, say, five times in a row, especially when all the questions are from the same text.
| | | | ahartje
Portugal
Local time: 18:48
Member (2006)
German to Portuguese
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TOPIC STARTER
Thank you for your thoughts and, yes, I agree with expressisverbis that some values should be implicit. I couldn´t agree more with Yaotl Altan and Cilian.
And yes: I answered the first questions marked as "no points" questions as well as the first questions without any special notes. Only when I found out that now all questions are closed "without grading, because the answer was found elsewhere" I stopped my collaboration and asked the colleague, whether she pretends to close all questio... See more Thank you for your thoughts and, yes, I agree with expressisverbis that some values should be implicit. I couldn´t agree more with Yaotl Altan and Cilian.
And yes: I answered the first questions marked as "no points" questions as well as the first questions without any special notes. Only when I found out that now all questions are closed "without grading, because the answer was found elsewhere" I stopped my collaboration and asked the colleague, whether she pretends to close all questions this way. Her answer was yes, since no given answer satisfied her.
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ahartje
Portugal
Local time: 18:48
Member (2006)
German to Portuguese
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TOPIC STARTER | Interesting, Cilian | Jan 17, 2023 |
It seems to be a never ending story...
| | | | | Comedy value | Jan 17, 2023 |
I had quite a few filtered but then very little ever came up in my languages so I had to reinstate them for comedy value.
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