Glossary entry

German term or phrase:

AUFTNR.

English translation:

Auftragsnummer = order number

Added to glossary by Johanna Timm, PhD
Feb 19, 2015 01:25
9 yrs ago
1 viewer *
German term

AUFTNR.

German to English Art/Literary Music
I am translating a number of articles about a musician. One of the documents looks like a ticket or train schedule, detailing the cities where the musician will appear and when. The abbreviation AUFTNR. appears at the top of the document, followed by a number and the "Erscheinungsdatum." What could AUFTNR. be in this context?
Change log

Feb 20, 2015 03:26: Johanna Timm, PhD Created KOG entry

Discussion

Erik Freitag Feb 20, 2015:
@Lancashireman I don't assume I'm the only person with knowledge of music - why do you?

I just entered a neutral (!) comment to your answer, I didn't say it was plain wrong, just quite unlikely (although it did turn out to be wrong after all, which I anticipated). I'm sorry if you're annoyed by my efforts to substantiate my opinion when it is challenged - a practice that you don't seem to appreciate very much. I gave my very own personal view of the matter as someone with indeed long-time, first-hand, native language and up-to-date experience as a professional musician (by which in this case I don't mean teaching in music schools, or leading amateur choirs etc.)

Maybe you misunderstood my remark "layman term", by which I certainly did not want to imply that you were a layman. For all I know, you may be far more experienced in music than I am. It's just that in my experience, "Auftritt" is a term that professional musicians rarely use, or only under very special circumstances, while it is far more popular amongst amateurs (which in turn makes your answer unlikely).

If you think this isn't true, we can safely agree to disagree. No ad-hominems or "who's a real pro" arm-wrestling necessary.
Lancashireman Feb 20, 2015:
Erik Freitag Your efforts to educate us are wasted here. The asker led us on a merry dance with an inaccurately classified question and incomplete context. The subject matter here had nothing to do with music, concerts or gigs. In any case, why do you assume that you are the only person around here with knowledge of music?
Erik Freitag Feb 20, 2015:
Ausnahmen ergeben sich im Grenzbereich zum oben erläuterten (musikalischen) Auftritt", zum Beispiel wenn ein Künstler im Rahmen einer größeren Veranstaltung nur ein oder zwei Lieder zum Besten gibt, also nicht den ganzen Abend gestaltet (f).

Ich habe auf die Schnelle keinen Fall finden können, der sich (e) zuordnen lässt (auch wenn es solche ganz sicher gibt).
Erik Freitag Feb 20, 2015:
@Bilcorno, Lancashireman et al.: Auftritt Liebe Leute,

Ein Auftritt ist zunächst mal ein Begriff aus dem Theater und bezeichnet (a) ganz wörtlich den Akt des Auftretens, des Erscheinens, eines Darstellers auf der Bühne.

Bilcornos "musikalischer Auftritt" ist (b) ein Auftritt im obigen Sinne, der von einer eigens dafür vorgesehenen Musik begleitet wird (Fall b).

Das Wort wird gerne auch in anderen Zusammenhängen verwendet: Einige plakative Beispiele: Großeltern, die den Nachbarn erzählen, ihr Enkelkind habe einen Auftritt mit dem Blockflötenkindern der Musikschule. Auch Mitglieder von Feuerwehrkapellen, Kirchenchören und ähnlichen Laienensembles sprechen gerne von Auftritten, wenn sie vor Publikum musizieren (Fall c).

Diese Verwendung wird dann unbewusst auch gerne von Journalisten in regionalen oder lokalen Zeitungen etc. übernommen (d).

Dass ein professioneller Musiker hingegen von einem Auftritt spricht und damit nicht a) oder b) meint, kommt m.E. eher nicht vor (das wäre dann Fall e). Stattdessen heißt es dann in der Regel von Konzerte (oder im Musiktheater: Vorstellungen), in der sog. U-Musik auch Gigs etc.

Lancashireman Feb 19, 2015:
Job number Each search will be a separate 'job'. If these documents looking like a ticket or train schedule really were 'orders', then a price would also be quoted. It is reasonable to assume that the invoice for an order - quite possibly consisting of multiple jobs/searches - would be presented separately.
Johanna Timm, PhD Feb 19, 2015:
Ein Zeitungsausschnittbüro bekannt auch unter Begriffen wie Presseausschnittbüro, Pressebeobachtungsbüro, Zeitungsdienst, Ausschnittdienst und Clippingdienst, bietet eine Dienstleistung im Rahmen der Medienbeobachtung an: die Presseberichterstattung je nach Auftrag auf bestimmte Stichwörter hin zu beobachten, die entsprechenden Artikel möglichst vollständig zu erfassen und dem Auftraggeber als Zeitungsausschnitt im Original oder als Kopie rasch zuzustellen.
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeitungsausschnittbüro
Lancashireman Feb 19, 2015:
Art/Literary - Music The original classification of this question may have been a red herring. The document ("looks like a ticket or train schedule") is probably a Beleg from Argus Media GmbH showing the results of their search for the newspaper clippings which you are looking at. Therefore not particular relevant to the subject matter you are dealing with.
Lancashireman Feb 19, 2015:
Scott Give these people a ring and ask them to explain the abbreviation:
Observer Argus Media GmbH
Stammheimer Straße 10 70806 Kornwestheim, Germany
+49 7154 96510
Scott Spires (asker) Feb 19, 2015:
There are the words "auch erschienen in" followed by a list of locations, with the names of newspapers following. Example: "Rheinpfalz, die (Speyerer Rundschau)"
philgoddard Feb 19, 2015:
Come on, Scott, put us out of our suspense! My money is on Johanna's reference and "order/contract" - but the contract is presumably between the musician's agent and the press cuttings company.
Ramey Rieger (X) Feb 19, 2015:
Absolutely possible! I didn't consider this aspect.
Erik Freitag Feb 19, 2015:
Mehr Kontext bitte! Johannas Hinweis scheint mir sehr wahrscheinlich: Vermutlich handelt es sich um eine Art Veröffentlichungsbeleg, der angibt, in welchen Zeitungen (mit welchen Auflagen) ein bestimmter Artikel bzw. eine Anzeige erschienen ist.

Letztlich nur mit mehr Kontext zu ermitteln: Sind die Einträge in der Liste wirklich nur Orte, oder Namen von Zeitungen?
Ramey Rieger (X) Feb 19, 2015:
But in this case, I would think AUFTNR refers to the contract number, as the second term is "concert/performance date". The musicians on tour have contracts with each venue determining the time, date and circumstances surrounding each gig.
Ramey Rieger (X) Feb 19, 2015:
Auftritt is certainly gig, performance, concert. The doc is his/her tour schedule.

Proposed translations

+1
1 hr
Selected

Auftragsnummer = order number

AUFTNR. seems to be a common abbreviation for Auftragsnummer

https://www.google.ca/?gfe_rd=cr&ei=ZlXlVLesEKyV8QfSzYG4Bw#q...
Peer comment(s):

agree Erik Freitag : Sehr wahrscheinlich.
4 hrs
Danke, Erik!
Something went wrong...
2 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
5 hrs

contract number

As I posted in the discussion box, this is most likely a contract followed by the concert/performance/gig date (Erscheinungsdatum). Musicians do not take 'orders' (;-)), we make contracts.
Peer comment(s):

neutral Erik Freitag : "Erscheinungsdatum" does not fit with "concert/performance/gig". It's clearly related to publishing. That doesn't make your suggestion "contract number" less likely, though.
1 hr
True, Erik, that is most decidedly a possibility!
Something went wrong...
+4
5 mins

Performance No:

Auftritt-Nr.
http://www.woelper-loewen.de/component/content/article/173-a...

--------------------------------------------------
Note added at 6 mins (2015-02-19 01:31:33 GMT)
--------------------------------------------------

Nummer = number

Gig number

--------------------------------------------------
Note added at 18 hrs (2015-02-19 20:23:37 GMT)
--------------------------------------------------

Revised suggestion based on information that has subsequently emerged:
Search number

(See Discussion Box)
Peer comment(s):

agree David Hollywood : sounds OK and agree that it means Auftritt
1 hr
Thanks. Unfortunately, the asker gave misleading description (a ticket or train schedule, detailing the cities where the musician will appear and when). It turns out to have been a search number for the publication in which the clipping appeared.
agree Donald Jacobson
1 hr
Thanks. Unfortunately, the asker gave misleading description (a ticket or train schedule, detailing the cities where the musician will appear and when). It turns out to have been a search number for the publication in which the clipping appeared.
agree Frosty
1 hr
Thanks. Unfortunately, the asker gave misleading description (a ticket or train schedule, detailing the cities where the musician will appear and when). It turns out to have been a search number for the publication in which the clipping appeared.
neutral Erik Freitag : Seems very unlikely. "Auftritt" is rather a layman term seldom used by professional musicians./Aha.
6 hrs
Dear Mr Layman, Thank you for your esteemed order. Your performance will be delivered within the next few days. Signed, Professional Musician
agree billcorno (X) : When a professional musician (or any musician) make an appearance, it is an "Auftritt." https://www.google.de/?gws_rd=ssl#q=musicalischer auftritt
23 hrs
Thanks. Unfortunately, the asker gave misleading description (a ticket or train schedule, detailing the cities where the musician will appear and when). It turns out to have been a search number for the publication in which the clipping appeared.
Something went wrong...
19 hrs

database search term

Used in ORACLE as a search term for documents (Aufträge) in databases
Something went wrong...
Term search
  • All of ProZ.com
  • Term search
  • Jobs
  • Forums
  • Multiple search