Jan 9 14:03
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Norwegian term
Magistra artis reddendi
Native in: Hungarian 
, Romanian
Works in: Romanian to English, Hungarian to English, English to Romanian, and 5 more.
dikting
Norwegian to English
Art/Literary
Poetry & Literature
Dear colleagues,
I'm translating Jon Fosse's Nobel lecture into one of my native languages, from its English translation available on the Nobel organisation website. I assume his original is in the Nynorsk variant. Something feels amiss at places in the English.
Does the word Norwegian word 'dikting' (which I assume to be related to the German Dichtung = poetry) mean poetry or literary writing in general, in this sentence below?
Og dermed minner nesten sjølvsagt dikting om musikk.
Another relevant sentence where the English uses 'writings' where I think the original must mean poems, is this:
Men det å skriva har nok blitt ein vane eg ikkje kan klara meg utan – kanskje kan ein med Marguerite Duras kalla det ein sjukdom – så eg bestemte meg for å gå attende til der det byrja, til å skriva prosa og eitt og anna diktet, slik eg hadde gjort i godt og vel eit tiår før eg debuterte som dramatikar.
The full original text is here: https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/literature/2023/fosse/2158...
I'm translating Jon Fosse's Nobel lecture into one of my native languages, from its English translation available on the Nobel organisation website. I assume his original is in the Nynorsk variant. Something feels amiss at places in the English.
Does the word Norwegian word 'dikting' (which I assume to be related to the German Dichtung = poetry) mean poetry or literary writing in general, in this sentence below?
Og dermed minner nesten sjølvsagt dikting om musikk.
Another relevant sentence where the English uses 'writings' where I think the original must mean poems, is this:
Men det å skriva har nok blitt ein vane eg ikkje kan klara meg utan – kanskje kan ein med Marguerite Duras kalla det ein sjukdom – så eg bestemte meg for å gå attende til der det byrja, til å skriva prosa og eitt og anna diktet, slik eg hadde gjort i godt og vel eit tiår før eg debuterte som dramatikar.
The full original text is here: https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/literature/2023/fosse/2158...
Proposed translations
(English)
| 4 +1 | writing |
Vedis Bjørndal
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| 4 | poetry-writing; poeticising |
Adrian MM.
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| 3 | poesy |
Charles Ek
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Proposed translations
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25 mins
Vedis Bjørndal
Norway
Norway
Native in Norwegian
Works in field
Norway
Business, law, technical, and medical
Native in: Norwegian (Variants: Nynorsk, Bokmål)
Works in: English to Norwegian, Norwegian to English, Swedish to Norwegian (Bokmal)
Related KudoZ points
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11
Selected
writing
My dictionary has various options for "dikting"/"diktning": (the writing of) poetry; writing; work (of poetry).
Bokmålsordboka: 3) "diktning, dikting": samlet produksjon fra en forfatter eller en viss periode eller et visst område. Eksempel: Wergelands diktning. Wergeland wrote both fiction and poems. Therefore I would leave the use of "poetry" only where it belongs.
Bokmålsordboka: 3) "diktning, dikting": samlet produksjon fra en forfatter eller en viss periode eller et visst område. Eksempel: Wergelands diktning. Wergeland wrote both fiction and poems. Therefore I would leave the use of "poetry" only where it belongs.
4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Thank you all for your valuable contributions.
I chose my language's equivalent for 'writing', except where the context obviously required otherwise, like in the second example I gave - thanks a lot, Christopher, for confirming that!
Now I understand more why Fosse's excellent English translator wanted to learn Norwegian so he could read him in original :-)"
1 hr
Adrian MM.
Austria
Austria
Native in English
Austria
Retd.T&I, Barrister & Austro-Advokat
Native in: English (Variants: Scottish, British)
Works in: Spanish to English, English to Spanish, French to English, and 5 more.
poetry-writing; poeticising
I agree that the ST/source text must be New Norwegian.
Writing is a dull-thuid. dictionary-driven, arguably fuzzy match , as compared to 'literary creation' in Einar Haugen and the cognate Germanic term of *Dichtung*, namely poetry-writing.
Og dermed minner nesten sjølvsagt dikting om musikk : and thereby makes = making poetry (poeticizing / lyricising) reminiscent of music virtually as a matter of course.
...eitt og anna diktet : one type of poetry-writing / litereray creation (vs. poeticising / lyricising ) or another.
Writing is a dull-thuid. dictionary-driven, arguably fuzzy match , as compared to 'literary creation' in Einar Haugen and the cognate Germanic term of *Dichtung*, namely poetry-writing.
Og dermed minner nesten sjølvsagt dikting om musikk : and thereby makes = making poetry (poeticizing / lyricising) reminiscent of music virtually as a matter of course.
...eitt og anna diktet : one type of poetry-writing / litereray creation (vs. poeticising / lyricising ) or another.
Example sentence:
poeticize (third-person singular simple present poeticizes, present participle poeticizing, simple past and past participle poeticized) (transitive) To make poetic, or express in poetry. (intransitive) To write or speak in the manner of a poet.
3 hrs
Charles Ek
United States
United States
Native in English
United States
Your meaning, from your words and mine
Native in: English 
Works in: Norwegian to English, Danish to English, Swedish to English, and 2 more.
Related KudoZ points
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10
poesy
Yeah, I'm just as archaic as this word. :-)
But this is the first thing that came to mind, reinforced by this and the echoes in his speech:
"Jon Fosse er særleg kjend som dramatikar og romanforfattar, men han har også gjeve ut ei rekkje diktsamlingar. I den særeigne og kritikarroste lyrikken til Fosse er det fjord og fjell, regn og mørker, bølgjer og hav, hundar og englar. Fortid, notid og framtid er slyngde saman, og grensa mellom liv og død er gjerne viska ut. På spørsmal om korleis ein skal lese dikta, har Fosse sagt: «Det er berre å lesa dei. Anten høyrer ein den tause musikken, elles så gjer ein det ikkje.»"
"po·e·sy
/ˈpōəzē/
nounARCHAIC•LITERARY
noun: poesy
poetry.
"they were enamored of poesy and the fine arts"
the art or composition of poetry.
"the genius of poesy"
But this is the first thing that came to mind, reinforced by this and the echoes in his speech:
"Jon Fosse er særleg kjend som dramatikar og romanforfattar, men han har også gjeve ut ei rekkje diktsamlingar. I den særeigne og kritikarroste lyrikken til Fosse er det fjord og fjell, regn og mørker, bølgjer og hav, hundar og englar. Fortid, notid og framtid er slyngde saman, og grensa mellom liv og død er gjerne viska ut. På spørsmal om korleis ein skal lese dikta, har Fosse sagt: «Det er berre å lesa dei. Anten høyrer ein den tause musikken, elles så gjer ein det ikkje.»"
"po·e·sy
/ˈpōəzē/
nounARCHAIC•LITERARY
noun: poesy
poetry.
"they were enamored of poesy and the fine arts"
the art or composition of poetry.
"the genius of poesy"
Peer comment(s):
| neutral |
Christopher Schröder
: But in the first instance he is talking about writing in general
2 hrs
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| neutral |
Michele Fauble
: “Dikting” can refer to literary production in general.
3 hrs
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