Daryo Dec 17, 2021:

Agree about rules ... being there "for the obedience of fools and the guidance of wise men"

but before coming to that, there is a preliminary point to clarify:

in

En conséquence de l'indication prise à ces jour, heure et lieu, d'un commun accord depuis la clôture de la précédente séance, aux mêmes requêtes, qualités et présences qu'en ladite séance, ...

"l'indication" is part of "l'indication prise à ces jour, heure et lieu, d'un commun accord"

while

"aux mêmes requêtes, qualités et présences" is a different part of this story

refers to /compares the current and the previous meeting, it's part of

à ces jour, heure et lieu,(=> cette séance) ... la précédente séance, aux mêmes requêtes, qualités et présences qu'en ladite séance


IOW there are two "components"

1 - aux mêmes requêtes, qualités et présences qu'en ladite séance => this meeting was about the same issues, with the same attendees acting in the same capacities as in the previous meeting

2 - l'indication prise à ces jour, heure et lieu, d'un commun accord = we can take note now and here that an agreement has been reached (in the meantime, in the time between these two meetings)

Mpoma Dec 16, 2021:

"attendee" Not sure I'd go for that personally, in this particular context. One is an "attendee" of an event of some kind. It seems just a bit too incongruous for the meaning of "someone present when a deed was executed" or whatever, where the significance has nothing to do with the experience of the person attending, but everything to do with ensuring that an accurate record of what transpired is kept...

Emmanuella Dec 16, 2021:

Persons in attendance = attendees ?

Mpoma Dec 16, 2021:

your initial attempt I don't read it that way, personally: for my money there's no indication of a "with regard to" relating to these terms.

I think it means, on the contrary, that I, notary, hereby record that these (A, B, C) are the same as last time we met ... and now... with regard to the inventaire, continuons ...

Mpoma Dec 16, 2021:

Searching... the ghits are instructive... only a handful but tend to suggest that the expression is used in a notarial context, and seems to be a set phrase from an older incarnation of the Code de Procédure Civile. E.g.: https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=OoUe6WypKp8C&pg=RA1-PA12...

... it appears to relate in each case to this inventaire.
So probably *not* what I suggested about a phrase taken from a court context. Maybe there's something about this particular notarial task which means you have to interrupt it and resume it (with the same parties present).

AllegroTrans (asker) Dec 16, 2021:

My initial attempt: As a result of the information given by mutual agreement on this day, and at this time and place, since the close of the previous meeting, with regard to the same requests, capacities and attendances as in the said meeting, the undersigned notary will proceed in the following manner further to and on closure of the inventory following the death of Mr. zzz

Mpoma Dec 16, 2021:

Parsing? Not entirely sure that indication goes with the post-ellipsis expression. Doesn't it rather say that the previous *séance* had the same A, B and C? I.e. the same "applications" are being considered, the same "capacities" (i.e. heir(s), whether statutory or whatever, etc., presumably) and the same people/entities in attendance, as in the previous meeting?

As to how to translate it: yes, this is tricky, and I wouldn't be surprised if Adrian came up with something lovely and legalesey which conveys exactly this. Otherwise it's a case of just translating the 3 terms in a pedestrian way.

Obviously the context here is a notary's premises (I'll avoid "office" in view of your previous question), rather than a court. So requête poses a bit of a problem. Tending perhaps to suggest, again, that this may be a set legal expression grabbed from a court context.

PS regarding requête: it is I suppose possible that this is using this word in a non-legal way to mean "request": i.e. the request made to the notary to handle this business of sorting out the succession-related inventaire. Effectively I suggest this means "the same purposes".

philgoddard Dec 16, 2021:

And I'm not sure how I'd translate the first term, whereas I don't think the second is too difficult.

AllegroTrans (asker) Dec 16, 2021:

@ Phil Well you know the maxim: Rules are made for the obedience of fools and the guidance of wise men.
If I were to split this into two questions, chances are I would get totally disparate answers. You of all people know this!

philgoddard Dec 16, 2021:

I think this breaks the rules, and is difficult to answer as such, because it's two unrelated terms separated by an ellipsis. Does anyone else agree? Sorry, Allegro :-)