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Glossary entry

Spanish term or phrase:

puras condiciones u onerosas

English translation:

simple/straightforward or onerous conditions

Added to glossary by Thomas Walker
Jan 7, 2021 17:08
3 yrs ago
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Spanish term

puras condiciones u onerosas

Spanish to English Law/Patents Law (general) Power of attorney
Happy New Year to all!
I encountered this phrase in a power of attorney from Puerto Rico. There is a long list of actions the power of attorney may take, of which this is one:
"QUINTO Aceptar donaciones de cualquier clase de bienes, ya sean puras condiciones u onerosas." That's all there is for this provision.
My gut feeling is that it means something like "whether free and clear or burdened by mortgage or other debt", but I haven't been able to run down any confirmation of this hypothesis, or any alternate hypothesis.
Would greatly appreciate any insight on this troublesome (to me, at least) phrase. Thanks in advance.
Proposed translations (English)
3 simple/straightforward or onerous conditions
3 +3 whether the gifts -.... are outright, conditional or onerous/ to the donee /
4 pure or onerous conditions; pure conditions or onerous; pure or expensive conditions
4 encumbered and unencumbered
3 mere conditions or of valuable consideration
References
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Discussion

John Rynne Jan 7, 2021:
maybe it should read "puras SIN condiciones"? Just a theory
Thomas Walker (asker) Jan 7, 2021:
Purpose of the POA The POA is being granted by an elderly person to two presumably younger persons, probably her son & daughter. It seems that the grantor is no longer able to, or is thought likely soon to no longer be able to, manage her own affairs.
AllegroTrans Jan 7, 2021:
Context would help What is the overall purpose of the power being granted?

Proposed translations

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simple/straightforward or onerous conditions


Onerous Condition means for these purposes, an action that requires a difficult or significant expenditure, in comparison to the size, resources and school budget; or changes in the structure of the institution not allowed by law or construction policies, in particular, those applicable to buildings of a historical ...

Onerous Condition | legal definition of Onerous Condition by
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Thanks, Chris. And thanks to all who participated in the discussion. The question itself was not simple/straightforward, with questions raised about possible typo, etc."
30 mins

mere conditions or of valuable consideration

Meaning something of actual, quantifiable value.
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2 hrs

pure or onerous conditions; pure conditions or onerous; pure or expensive conditions

Estas fueran las respuestas que encontré en el Deepl traductor. Todas dijen la misma cosa, de forma poco distinta.
Peer comment(s):
neutral AllegroTrans : Anything to show these terms are actually used?
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Spanish term (edited): PR: donaciones ... ya sean puras, condicionales u onerosas

whether the gifts -.... are outright, conditional or onerous/ to the donee /

I am wavering or Scots: havering between Steve H's good - for natural love and affection - and valuable consideration or Allegro's likelier onerous construction, whilst agree with Taña D.'s typo proposition: 'the further South from Spain, the sloppier and slovenlier the legal drafting and creative set of accounts get' was the motto in our Madrid law office.

BTW, these formd of gift also exist in Anglo-Am law, the dividing line between a conditional gift and a trust being the subject of many a writ in Chancery.
Example sentence:

onerous - made with a burden or obligation imposed on the donee.

ONEROUS GIFT, civil law. The gift of a thing subject to certain charges which the giver has imposed on the donee

Reference:

http://www.franciscomarinopardo.es/mis-temas/24-civil-obligaciones-y-contratos/69-tema-74-clases-de-donacion

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gift_(law)

Peer comment(s):
agree philgoddard
11 hrs
Thanks and gracias.
agree EirTranslations
11 hrs
Gracias and thanks.
agree Robert Carter : Would seem the most likely interpretation.
2 days 19 hrs
West also gives unconditional gift for 'donación pura'.
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11 hrs

encumbered and unencumbered

I would suggest in the context of donations
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Reference comments

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Reference:

Refs.

Tom: Are you sure there isn't an error and it should read, "... puras, condicionales y onerosas"?


las donaciones 3 - Derecho Sucesorioderechosucesorio.es.tl › las-donacion...
https://derechosucesorio.es.tl/las-donaciones-3.htm
Atendiendo a sus efectos, se clasifican en puras, condicionales y onerosas. Son puras, aquellas en que la liberalidad del Donante no se halla desvalorizada ...

71 - Notarios y Registradores www.notariosyregistradores.com › registros-civil
DOC
... se distingue entre donaciones puras, condicionales y onerosas. VI. POR SU RÉGIMEN ESPECIAL, mencionamos,. 1) Las "liberalidades al uso". Son aquellas ...

Respuestas en Derecho: La donación (I)respuestasenderecho.blogspot.com › ...
http://respuestasenderecho.blogspot.com/2009/08/la-donacion-...
Aug 11, 2009 — Si bien el art 621 señala que "Las donaciones que hayan de producir ... impropias (tienen algún otro motivo), puras condicionales y onerosas
Las donaciones pueden clasificarse intervivos o mortiscausa, propias (tienen como causa la liberalidad del causante) o impropias (tienen algún otro motivo), ***puras, condicionales y onerosas****

Tema069 Derecho Civil (01_2017) - notinnotin.es › wp-content › uploads › 2019/06 › Tema069-...
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POR SUS EFECTOS se distinguen las donaciones **puras, CONDICIONALES Y ONEROSAS***. También, por razón del momento en que se producen sus efectos, ...

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No results found for accept "purely conditional or onerous donations".
Results for accept purely conditional or onerous donations (without quotes):

Successions and Donations - Monroe Library at Loyola ...people.loyno.edu › ~ebls › donationsoutline-h
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If we take the subjective theory to its logical extent, no donation is purely gratuitous. ... Purely gratuitous, onerous donation (something given for something else), ...

http://lex-estudyante.blogspot.com/2013/08/donations.html
· Kinds of donation INTER VIVOS
1) pure/simple
2) remuneratory
3) conditional
4) onerous
Note from asker:
Thanks for your work on this, Taña. The text I quoted is a correct copy from the document I'm working with. Obviously, however, that doesn't eliminate the possibility that it was wrong already in the original.
Peer comments on this reference comment:
agree philgoddard
5 hrs
Thanks. I did not say a donation could be for consideration (wrong person!)/Well, I think you could have been clearer in thought! I did mention four types of donations: pure/simple; remuneratory; conditional; and onerous (burdensome?).
agree Adrian MM.
8 hrs
Thank you.
agree Toni Castano : Yes, it´s a typo.
15 hrs
Thanks Toni.
agree Robert Carter
3 days 4 hrs
Thanks. Stay safe!
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