Ramey Rieger (X) Dec 3, 2015:

THIS context for heaven's sake! I am not translating Seitz's book, I'm offering a suggestion for this single, solitary context. If a parent wishes to understand their child's world, then they MUST use the child's language.

Björn Vrooman Dec 3, 2015:

I don't know KudoZ inner workings, so I'll have to pass.

The issue is that klarstellen means showing as in both explain and illustrate, which would throw "darstellen" out of the equation. It is exactly not only about the children "experiencing a thing," but about the parents understanding their children's view of the world as well.

Plus: The aspect of crafting totally falls flat here. I read up on it a bit more in the meantime and I am pretty sure it distinctively refers to arts and creativity and not to a simple "show me what you've learned today" (and it is precisely not just to show a picture, that much I can be sure of would be misrepresenting Seitz here).

And the "defined" is debatable, since we all do not have the book by Seitz to quote from it. The definition that follows is not the same as in other articles where the quote is used. At least some scientists are clever enough to quote paragraphs or in context. The ultimate joke is that I'm trying to elaborate on a concept whose application I consider pseudo-scientific as most of educational theory (haven't even gotten to the good parts here).

Whatever works for you (thus, neutral comment).

Ramey Rieger (X) Dec 3, 2015:

It doesn't have to be, to reflect a child's state. And how did you read my post before I even hit the submit button???

Ramey Rieger (X) Dec 3, 2015:

Showing is knowing Anyone who has ever worked with children, will easily be able to envision a child showing a picture, reciting a poem (or half of one, or just a line) or clapping her/his hand in rhythm, etc. This child is showing what he or she KNOWS, regardless of educational didactics or definitions. But you will NOT hear the child analysing this knowledge or giving it any particular significance whatsoever, once the applause has been harvested. No matter how tiny the learning, when a child shows it, it's because she/he knows it. And then on to the next learning opportunity. Adults could easily do with slice of that pie.
And again, the phrase is DEFINED in the following text.

Björn Vrooman Dec 3, 2015:

@Ramey Not sure I understand your comment. The asker's next sentence ("Damit ist ein Prozess der geistigen Erfassung von Wirklichkeit gemeint, wobei die Zeichnung selbst als Medium des Denkens angesehen werden muss.") is certainly not addressed to kids either.

Björn Vrooman Dec 2, 2015:

... Did someone read Julia's link?

Die langjährige Zusammenarbeit der Pädagoginnen mit Künstlern und
Kunstpädagogen basiert in Reggio Emilia auf der Überzeugung, dass Gestaltungsprozesse vor allem Erkenntnisprozesse sind. Die 100
Sprachen entfalten sich demnach am besten im expressiven Tun, also
beim Theater- und Puppenspiel, in Ateliers an Staffeleien oder in Projekten
zu Licht- und Schatten. Die gestalterischen Tätigkeiten der Kindern
werden als Teil ihrer Aneignung von Wirklichkeit angesehen, sie
verleihen ihren Eindrücken neuen Ausdruck, oder – wie Rudolf Seitz
dies formuliert hat: „Darstellen heißt Klarstellen.“

Now, they did adapt the quote a bit here; Seitz was rather talking about painting.

Loosely related to: http://www.worldwidelearn.com/education-articles/how-do-you-...

More closely related to: Learning by doing.

Basically: Crafting a thing is grasping its significance.

It's Duden's meaning 1+2:
in einem Bild, einer Nachbildung o. Ä. wiedergeben, als Abbild gestalten; abbilden
in einer Bühnenrolle verkörpern; (eine bestimmte Rolle) auf der Bühne gestalten, spielen
http://www.duden.de/rechtschreibung/darstellen

Ramey Rieger (X) Dec 2, 2015:

Thank you Phoebe Some days I'm brilliant, others I'm mud.

Phoebe Indetzki (asker) Dec 2, 2015:

Ramey... I just love your idea. Spot on, and even keeps the rhyme as an added bonus – and you thought of it in less than two minutes, which is very impressive!!

philgoddard Dec 2, 2015:

Don't avoid rhymes If you're clever enough to find one that works in the target language, you should use it.

Ramey Rieger (X) Dec 2, 2015:

@Sonja Nonsense! I, as a native speaker, do not think this sounds translated at all. It sounds like a slogan, yes, which it is, but it is also defined in the following text.

Sonja Marks-Terrey Dec 2, 2015:

Avoid rhymes I'd avoid rhymes as they tend to sound translated. something more like: Children achieve understanding when they are allowed to represent ideas. Not so pithy but more English I think.

freekfluweel Dec 2, 2015:

visualizing is realizing ?!