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Glossary entry

German term or phrase:

gleichgestellter Tatbestand

English translation:

equivalent situation

Added to glossary by Steffen Walter
Oct 14, 2014 11:42
9 yrs ago
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German term

gleichgestellten Tatbestand

German to English Law/Patents Law (general) Child benefit entitlements
Sie ueben keine Erwerbstaetigkeit bzw. einen gleichgestellten Tatbestand im Sinne des Beschlusses F1 vom 12.06.2009 der Verwaltungskommission der EU aus.
Proposed translations (English)
4 +4 equivalent situation
4 (are engaged in) a factual scenario rated on par with such
References
Beschluss Nr. F1 vom 12. Juni 2009 / Decision No F1 of 12 June 2009
Change log

Oct 27, 2014 15:36: Steffen Walter Created KOG entry

Discussion

Steffen Walter Oct 14, 2014:
Right This can be corrected in the glossary entry.
Maria S. Loose, LL.M. Oct 14, 2014:
However, the source term shoud be "gleichgestellter Tatbestand" and not "gleichgestellten Tatbestand"
Steffen Walter Oct 14, 2014:
EU decision Even the EU decision referred to in the context uses "gleichgestellte Situation", rather than "... Tatbestand" (see English and German sources cited in my answer).
Maria S. Loose, LL.M. Oct 14, 2014:
They are not in gainful employment or in any equivalent situation. "Tatbestand" is a German legal term which cannot be translated literally into English.
Lorna O'Donoghue (asker) Oct 14, 2014:
Can't find this FI Beschluss on the internet to see the wording in English... Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.

Proposed translations

+4
28 mins
German term (edited): gleichgestellter Tatbestand
Selected

equivalent situation

Where is the problem? I've searched for "Beschluss F1 vom 12.06.2009" (note that its F1 not FI), and here you go:

http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=OJ:C:2... (German; see bottom of first page of PDF; they use "gleichgestellte Situation" rather than "... Tatbestand")
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=OJ:C:2... (English; see top right of first page; "equivalent situation")
Peer comment(s):
agree Maria S. Loose, LL.M.
2 mins
agree Coqueiro : ;-)
3 mins
agree Ramey Rieger (X)
20 mins
agree AllegroTrans : convincing
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Many thanks."
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German term (edited): gleichgestellter Tatbestand

(are engaged in) a factual scenario rated on par with such

As pointed out, it is Tatbestand - factual *nexus* in German criminal law - and not eine gleichgestellte Situation.

It is also remiss of the writer of the 'German' - it NOT being possible to ausüben either a Situation or Tatbestand - to misquote the EU authority.
Reference:

http://www.proz.com/kudoz/german_to_english/human_resources/1611164-gleichgestellter.html

Peer comment(s):
neutral AllegroTrans : I can only find the words put forward by Steffen in the EU doc.
1 hr
The EU doc. doesn't refer to Tatbestand, so the wording needs to be adapted.
neutral Steffen Walter : I'm afraid we'll have to stick to EU wording in this case (see cited sources)./... a moot argument since the DE sentence uses 'Tatbestand' in the same meaning as 'Situation' in the EU doc./IMHO 'Tatbestand' is just bureaucratese w/o specific implications.
1 hr
The EU doc. doesn't refer to Tatbestand.//Not a true synonym: die Situation is a general label. Der Tatbestand has a precise legal meaning for an ingredient of a civ. or crim. offence or, as here, a wider nexus//Tatbestand could be unlawful on Ali-Platz.
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Reference comments

30 mins
Reference:

Beschluss Nr. F1 vom 12. Juni 2009 / Decision No F1 of 12 June 2009

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